Thanks for update !! Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. Breeze knows this. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. But I guess everyone agrees that the duties of FAs are just going down day by day. Breeze Airways Relaxes Flight Attendant Hiring Policy 1. It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. @samuel. See point 2. I have no doubts in How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? They are exploiting pilots. report. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? There have been several regionals that have gone under recently which have temporarily flooded the market with pilots. Sure, theres the free market, but this also seems borderline exploitative. First year SkyWest pilots make more than Breeze pilots. You and a friend use your travel pass and visit a city. In the meantime, if you don't like the pay, go see if another airline is hiring. $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. The job may fit more workers than you think. I wonder if its plausible he could bring some pilots up from Azul to fill gaps if US pilots arent too interested? The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours Breeze won't charge change or cancelation fees Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor policy for flight attendants just so happens to be maintaining a youthful labor force as seniors depart from - er graduate - their internships and are replaced by freshmen (and women; the term fresh was intentionally omitted as that does not exactly present well given the context). So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. Does New Carrier Breeze Airways Pay Pilots Enough. Be honest. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. This page was updated on October 13, 2022 (Quicktake, Payscales, Fleet). Breeze will initially fly 118-seat Embraer 195s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. Breeze Airways - Pay Scale Update. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. Certainly in today's world that is a luxury. Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. We spend $100K plus on flight training plus college for most of us. 1200/month in 2021??? Anyone with a college degree need not apply to be a flight attendant, while the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options pay is roughly on par with regionals, while requirements are significantly higher. 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" If you are a green bean rookie like Cricket than you will imagine that you have won the lottery.. Must be at least 23 years old at the time of hire, Must have 1,500+ hours total time (not including simulator and/or Flight Engineer time), Current First-Class FAA Medical Certificate, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, High school diploma or equivalent educational achievement, FAA Unrestricted Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate with airplane multi-engine class rating, Must have a minimum of 3,000 hours fixed wing time. If not the airplane no flight. The race to the bottom continues. Breeze Airways Hiring Flight Attendants - One Mile at a Time It gets so tiresome. Or the app crashing? Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. Beauty: Not in the job description, but undoubtedly a plus from a marketing perspective. The LDS coming from the Beehive State have, at the end of the day, always thought of its team members really as worker bees. . I have worked with underpaid and undermotivated staff, and it s not pretty: for the staff, the management, the investors and the customers. There's a lot of old pilots - is Neeleman hiring them because of their looks, or because they know how to fly a plane? Yes, they are using and abusing us. Breeze Airways Pilots Vote To Unionize, But - One Mile at a Time Sounds awfully low especially with a 55-hour minimum pay. Enjoy the Race To The Bottom, along with the clientele it will surely attract (think Spirit but even more extreme). If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. Interesting model. Nevertheless, Breeze Airways is still on track to launch in the US in the first quarter of 2021. $1200 per month is a crime. Breeze will hire the lowest time, least skilled pilots begging for their first "jet job", just like all the regionals do. They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. He must anticipate a lot of employee churn and be okay with that risk, deeming it worth the extra-low cost structure and less likely to result in speedy unionization, if it leads to it at all. Of Course, Oops: Jetstars Embarrassing Bali Flight Blunder. I knew one guy that slept in the crew lounge and wandered DEN between trips. To eat while traveling. Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941 -MTS Get some help. I think they are going Myrtle Beach Direct Air style. Glorious. Nice. The pay scale also looks good. Breeze Airways Wants To Pay Pilots How Much?! Your slip is showing. Some can force their way, others will accept any offer out of fear to lose their job. Fares are still way to high in the industry. At least here they will learn something. Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. Starbucks employees don't plan on a career there, but they love the culture and it offers them a launching pad. You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). Which means, the flight attendant occupation is DIRECTLY responsible for marketing the company to the public. All rights reserved. Breeze Airways Is Recruiting Pilots; What Execs Look for When Hiring Sounds ripe for an age discrimination lawsuit at some point too. For example, I recently wrote about how Breeze is only hiring flight attendants if they enroll full time in college, and live in company housing. Then, when mainline hiring picks-up (as it inevitably will) they'll dump Breeze like a cheap date. And even if you talked endlessly to that reassuring gray-haired physician in the lead-up to your surgery, you know, the guy or gal who wrote the textbook on your ailment and who appears a shoe-in to be the next chairman of the school of medicine at the cutting-edge research institution where you've opted to get the very best care (you deserve it! There are rules about pilots moonlighting in order to ensure they are properly rested for duty. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. No Per Diem. First Officer 1st year $89 and $130 in year six. Word is Allegiant about to get a TA/contract that surpasses our own in pay, benefits etc. Site Support. At first glance, those rates do not seem too unusual. Seems like they could be taking advantage of this particular moment in time, and the situation the industry is in. I applied for a ticket/ramp/gate/baggage handler position and got the job. Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. See more about our ethics policies here. In other words, the airline is trying to exclude anyone who has a family, a college degree, or is looking to build a career. A hundred years ago, Kendor would be talking about the joys of working one's way up from being a frontline Pinkerton goon to the guy commanding a whole squad of goons. Great article !!! @Wendy B Gates - Breeze didn't specifically tell me I'm too old, they said I was overqualified. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. Past Flight Receipts. Great article !!! There is no coercion, there is no exploitation - if the pay is too little, pilots won't join and they'll have to revamp their compensation structure to entice people to join. Breeze Airways First Officers: $62,000 by year six JetBlue First Officers: $117,000 by year six Breeze Airways Captains: $94,000 by year six JetBlue Captains: $182,000 by year six Caveats The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. Because expanding the monthly rate to 75+ is done so much easier and instant, than hirring another 200 pilots or so. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. [Well] flash someone a message, Hey, we see youre flying today. Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. A cult, . Its their choice. Since most flight attendants are women - it also shows how Neeleman views females. I am over the moon thrilled! Not if you wanted good work done. This might work at Breeze for now given the state of the airline industry, but somethings gotta give over time here. At the end of last month, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA - AFA United Master Executive Council analyzed Breeze's program. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. So they only want young, pretty, college girls and completely straight acting College guys? It's not so nice to say, but the truth is that young untrained employees aren't always worth that much. If "older experienced flight attendants" feel somehow entitled to higher pay or don't like the legal work conditions or don't like the fact that being a flight attendant inherently means time away from family, that is not Breeze's problem. Rude, Fat-Fugly, Nasty, Filthy, Unfit. Our business address is: No person interactions. So much whining and squealing. If adults want to work the jobs Breeze offers and are satisfied with it then there is no cynical exploitation, even though legacy unions might wish that it were so. This is a very exciting idea indeed! Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. That's the Breeze way. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *The whole Home Monthly is based on operational needs and must Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Four major career destroying events in 20 years. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. Not my kind of thing. Breeze Airways Flight Attendant Salaries in the United States Posted by 5 minutes ago. Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. Good luck, Febreeze! Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. All that said, I'm currently COO for a NON-union airline, and we will make sure we pay our pilots (and all employees) fairly with work conditions and benefits that will never have them needing a union to ask for more. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. Disappointed but not surprised. What do you make of these Breeze insights? Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. Fly for less money and less stress. Eight months later our crashpad lease expired. All applicants are required to have at least 1,500 total hours with 1,000 hours of. American would attempt to get the lowest pay rates in the industry on comparable equipment. Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. However, in reality thats not hugely different than the schedules that flight attendants work at other airlines full time. It's that, or these guys and their families starve. FAs are there for your safety: The younger the FA, the stronger they are. 909 N. Sepulveda Blvd, 11th Floor Cringing at the pay rateless than $100 per day and the hours can be brutal. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. Prime Minister/Moderator. Our fares are low! Neeleman hopes to cut costs by designing the airline around technology, including a smartphone app that he hopes will handle all customer interactions until the day of travel, and also generate a lot of ancillary revenue. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. Pilots are guaranteed pay of $75 per month. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? I can't always trust a computer system to give me the perks or pay attention to the details I care about. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. But how does this affect pay for pilots? At least, I can't find that information. For what you spent in training together with what is intelectually asked of a pilot, pay is completely out of line with most smaller/regional airlines. For the right crewmember this could be an excellent opportunity. My airline had a trip that left LGA early in the morning to CMH. The a la carte formula is very popular whether you personally like it or not. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! See more about our ethics policies here. This is cynical exploitation at its worst and I hope that the public recognises this and vote with their feet. In youth I worked fast food full-time for many years. Hey. I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. Sounds very ME3. Anyone have any info on what flying for Breeze Airways is like? Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. So you can make $1200 in a month only working 80 hrs a month. Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. It's that, or FO Adam absolutely nailed it. Spirit may have higher "margins", i.e. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but.